Law of Chastity Redux Again Part XXICDLLV…
Posted by Moriah Jovan on June 19, 2008
I’ve been thinking about this Law of Chastity issue a lot, not just because of my art and how that fits into the church paradigm, but because, well, I was 34 when I got married (in the temple)—and I was a virgin.
You have to do a lot of thinking about it to get yourself in that sorry and sad state.
Prenuptially, I was ever so proud of my accomplishment (though really, all it took for Mr. Right to find me was one well-placed ultimatum to the Deity expressing my somewhat miffed state), but postnuptially…not so much.
Why?
Because I feel like I missed out on a whole lot that my husband didn’t. And I kind of resent that. Obviously, I don’t know what I missed out on, so I could’ve just missed out on a surprise! pregnancy (as a single mother) or a lovely case of crabs or even something less desirable than that, but my imagination fills in the blanks of what mind-blowing sex I could have had had I let my Inner Slut loose.
What really got me thinking about this in particular was yesterday’s post about adultery here and the Exponent’s post about teaching chastity. I started to wonder what chastity means to me, why it means that, and does it make any difference in the long run (spiritually)?
When I was “saving myself” for marriage, I had a curious paradox going on inside me. I was hot to trot. I knew, somewhere deep down, that I would be indiscriminate in my choices of lovers if I were to cross that boundary because I was (am?) the kind of girl who’d do pretty much anything if it got my rocks off.
On the other hand, I’m also the kind of girl who thinks that a kiss is a promise; one or two a-little-more-than-makeout sessions that failed to yield nothing but an expression of disgust directed toward me in the broad daylight and I was emotional toast.
Put those two issues together and you can see I had a bit of a tussle on my hands. My OCD reared its rescuing head and said, “Simplify, simplify, simplify.” So really, my staying pure-ish didn’t have much at all to do with church standards. It had to do with the war between my romantic, needy soul and my libidinous body.
Yet that didn’t stop me from trying to justify it because I was ashamed of both. I came up with all sorts of intellectual reasons to stay chaste, which include the litany of standard sociologic reasons that economist and social scientist types come up with. It was an intellectual balm to the two warring factions that both embarrassed me.
It wasn’t until after I got married and did the deed for a while that I realized that yes, hey, it’s possible to have sex purely for sex’s sake and not feel a connection at all. Sometimes that’s great; sometimes that’s not good at all, but it can be done. It may have taken me a long time and a lot of lovers before I got to that point outside of marriage and it’s nice to be able to say that from inside the shelter of a committed, eternal marriage (which, yes, that has made me think twice about saying “screw it,” though I don’t presume to think that’d be the same for everyone who got married in the temple).
But now I’m looking at it from where I’m at and not from where I think I might have liked to have been. This is what I’ve been sorting through the last couple of days with the two posts I linked. I have a five-year-old daughter whom the fashion industry wants to sexualize by leaving me no choice as to the cut of the clothes that are for sale (meaning I’m going to have to go back to sewing, which is more expensive in time AND money nowadays, but I digress).
She’s going to learn about sex earlier and from someone else if I don’t step in, but how do I do this? I teach her the correct body part names (to an extent…it’s more difficult to tell a girl what all her parts are called when there are just so many and they do so many different things—The Boy’s parts are not so fraught with etymological traps). When she asks where babies come from I try to be as straightforward as possible without completely confusing her. I refuse to allow either of my children to nickname the boy’s body parts (again with the terminology problem on female genitalia—she can’t get past “ure—” for urethra). No “wee-wee,” “pee-pee,” etc., and that goes for dad, too, who gets a dirty look if he doesn’t comply. So what I’ve run into first is a language problem and a perception problem. That is, she can’t see what’s in all those nooks and crannies and she can’t even pronounce their names anyway.
Now, onto the teaching of the chastity part.
I don’t have a clue.
The Exponent did a good job of pointing out that the other side of the chastity coin is the atonement, but how do you commingle the messages? “No, you shouldn’t, but if you do, don’t worry, you can repent” or “Yeah, you can repent, but it won’t mitigate the fact in your soul if something goes wrong.”
Because in my somewhat, rather, okay, really limited experience, remorse for sex (and then not for the sex) happens if something goes wrong: Pregnancy. Disease. Emotional/social fallout.
I’m torn. I want my kid to be chaste until she gets married. But I’d like to know my kid had something better than I did going into marriage and if she does pop up with a healthy libido, I certainly don’t want her to feel like “chewed gum,” “licked cupcakes” (oh, so many joke opportunities there), “smashed bananas,” the one bullet in a revolver**, or a rose with its head torn off.
Intellectually, I get that the Law of Chastity is an artificial construct that, nevertheless, has more redeeming social value than wholesale promiscuity.
Before the Victorian/Edwardian era, the upper classes had its standard of morality based on inheritance: The heir and the spare. Once that was accomplished, the woman took a lover or six and the man had a mistress if he could afford one. In this societal construct, the unmarried girl who was not a virgin was, therefore, not marriageable on the grounds of a financial contract between father and suitor. In other words, a virgin was desirable for her virginity not on a basis of moral purity but on the basis of her status as a brood mare.
Then came the industrial revolution, Queen Victoria, and the middle class. In a scene in My Fair Lady, Alfred P. Doolittle tells Professor Higgins that he’s too poor to be able to afford “middle-class morality,” and it makes perfect sense as he defines it. When he comes into money unexpectedly, his common law wife of double-digit years then demands he marry her and make her ‘respeckable’ and he laments that now his money has shackled him to the middle-class morality he never wanted in the first place. (Why is it morality always comes down to money in the end? But that’s another post.)
Now, in the wake of virgin-as-property, middle-class Victorian mores, and the ’60s sexual revolution, what we’re left with is a mishmash of…something I don’t think anybody really understands. So, the LDS Law of Chastity, artificial construct or not, is at least some standard to hold onto and it’s not a bad one.
Yet…
I keep wondering what I missed.
So my desires for my daughter’s future, and what she learns and how, are at cross purposes with each other. I feel like a bloody idiot for even putting it on paper. How do I explain this to her? Or do I? When do I start? How do I start? What tack do I use? I have no answers and I’m only really asking rhetorically (though feel free to answer!).
I don’t resent the Law of Chastity as a cornerstone of our cultural tradition (and I do believe it’s more cultural than doctrinal) and I even agree with it as a sound economic/sociologic principle. What I do resent are the ways it’s taught; the dire warnings of eternal damnation for thinking about it, touching oneself, having sex before marriage (I’m looking at you, Miracle of Forgiveness and the intellectual bullcrap you spawned); the long-term damage it does to fragile psyches who may have actually weathered any of the other bad consequences of promiscuity better than those sparked by its teaching.
But you never know that until the damage has been done.
**By the way, I’m a committed gun owner and concealed carrier (in my state, that’s kosher), and I’d have gone to war over bringing a gun (loaded or not) to church to use as an object lesson, particularly as an allegory to sexual sin. I have never seen this particular demonstration (thank heavens), but–as a gun owner and carrier–I was completely appalled.
Jonathan Blake said
I sympathize. Intellectually, I know that I probably wouldn’t be any happier if I had had premarital sex, but curiosity makes me wonder what I missed.
I don’t know that I hope my daughters will save themselves for marriage. I hope they have the confidence and independence to choose what they want (whatever that is), and the wisdom to do it safely. I worry that the way sexuality is treated in the church will undermine that.
Joe said
Wow, MoJo. I married in my early 20s and still wonder what I missed by skipping 6 years of sex with rather forward and willing girls I knew. I can’t even imagine what you were dealing with to be a virgin at 34. Mind boggling. I obviously still have some hangups here, since I think it’s refreshing that my wife and I both share our entire sexual histories together. I guess I’m a bit jealous and insecure, and would wonder how I stacked up against others.
I don’t care if my kids are virgins, as long as they are emotionally mature about it and make good decisions. As for your daughter, I wouldn’t encourage her either way. Just teach her to make well-informed, emotionally mature decisions and the you and God will love her regardless.
There was a good thread on teaching kids about sex a while back on fMh:
http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/?p=1641
MoJo said
I’ll tell you what happened. I got pissed off. One day I woke up and said, “Look, Heavenly Father, I’m done with LoC business. I did what you wanted me to do and it’s gotten me nowhere. If I’m going to be single, I’m going to be happy about it and that includes not waiting anymore.”
At 34, I was also mature enough to know that with that came the obligation of choosing lovers wisely. That was the extent of control I was willing to exert.
Mr. Right found me about a week after I made that announcement. I do truly believe that was divine intervention.
Commence scoffing.
Joe said
MoJo – thanks for sharing. I can see a parallel to sexless marriages:
“Look, Heavenly Father, I’m done with this LoC business. I did what you wanted me to do and it’s gotten me nowhere. If I’m going to be married without sex, I’m going to be happy about it and that includes not faithful anymore.”
Just food for thought…
MoJo said
Joe, I don’t think that analogy holds. In the case of a sexless marriage, there is at least one other person to consider. There are other ways to handle it (albeit not happily) than to have an affair.
If I felt at the end of my rope as a 34-yo virgin, the last resort was to cut the rope. What would have helped? Counseling? Why? I’m a normal woman with a normal sexual appetite and being a virgin at 34 is not normal.
If I feel at the end of my rope in a sexless marriage (which is a hypothetical, as my marriage is not sexless and recently getting more, ah, imaginative), I have my spouse to turn to and talk about my concerns. Next step, medical attention. Step after that, counseling. If none of those work, then you have to decide if putting your spouse (and children, if you have any) through the wringer of an affair/divorce (I mean, really, is one better than the other?). IMO, that’s where the analogy breaks down. Unfortunately, I have no answers for it.
In my case, I lived with a cat who probably wouldn’t care and…had no one else to answer to. If I’d gone that route I would have left the church rather than pretend a remorse I wasn’t going to feel. But I was very clear (to myself) of my intentions, motivations, and there was no one to hurt.
Tom Sawyer said
I think we’ll always wonder what we missed. Although I had my share of sexual relationships prior to marriage, because I was Mormon and at least trying to live the Law of Chastity, I ended up saying “no” more times than I said “yes”. Or, even if I gave in and had sex, later I’d sometimes let my LoC guilt ruin what might have been a good relationship.
So yeah, I sometimes kick myself for saying “no” to a former Playboy Model (Note: she was in a Girls-of-the-Pac-10 lay out, not the Centerfold). And I wonder about other opportunities I passed on for what may have been mind-blowing sex. But, I don’t worry about it much. I realize I also may have missed out on some tragic consequences as well.
For me, more than missed opportunities, I think I regret not “owning myself” or “owning my choices” like I do now. Tough to explain what I mean, but I didn’t feel like I owned myself when I was single. Somehow, the Church held the pink slip. It held me back, made me feel like I was an actor playing a role.
The idea of “living life” to me does not mean rampant debauchery, but it means making one’s own decisions, defining one’s own standards and boundaries, finding the “me” in me. The “Mormon Blueprint” might fit some people like a glove. For others it can be something of a straightjacket, preventing real growth and maturation.
Tom Sawyer said
By the way, MoJo, you should use the “more” (aka “read the rest of this entry”) tag for your posts after two or three paragraphs.
MoJo said
Oh! Okay, I’m sorry. I do that on mine; I don’t know why I didn’t here. I’ll fix.
OutAndAbout said
I won’t do any scoffing at your pronouncement. I will however scoff somewhat at your endless jealous rants about Stephenie Meyer’s books on your other blog. Let it die. She wrote some books – lots of people like them – big deal. Just because no one has bought yours yet doesn’t mean you need to rip her constantly.
MoJo said
I understand exactly what you mean and I’ve been thinking about that a lot the last couple of years. I think that just comes with age and an unwillingness to do the (oftentimes very tiring) work of justifying your decisions to random people who have the gall to ask.
MoJo said
Well, mine’s not out yet but the other point is well taken. Thank you.
Joe Too said
Except for one glaring exception, my biggest regrets from my single years are missed relationships more than anything. I grew up LDS on the east coast in a family, ward and stake that preached “date only Mormons” VERY heavily–it was more relentless than I’ve heard since. I’d known one girl in particular since I was four and never asked her out.
(The exception was a I’m-the-nice-guy-she-turns-to deals. I adored her and we got along fabulously. Years later that she told me she deliberately put the brakes on any relationship because she didn’t want to corrupt me. I responded “I wanted to be corrupted.” She laughed. Of course, the truth is she liked bad boys and had the divorces to prove it.)
Joe Too said
PS. Looking back can be misleading. I met a gorgeous girl at the start of my freshman year. Didn’t pursue it. For no apparent reason, I remembered her recently and wondered what I was thinking. Tonight, I finally remembered: she was an extremely extroverted flake and drove me nuts!
MoJo said
I would like to revisit this, if you don’t mind, because I’m unaware of any but one reference to Stephenie Meyer’s books on my blog. Were you perhaps talking about the long thread we had here on VC under the post name “The Carnal Bite”?
And if that is the case, may I ask why you are singling me out? I thought I was engaging in literary criticism, though I did state that it annoyed me on a literary basis.
I also said, in the pr0n thread:
That was not meant to be a negative.
I’m still a little baffled by why you were offended by my remarks (no one else’s?), but apparently you were and for that, I apologize.
Eugene said
The “you’re jealous of my success” dodge is the lamest ad hominem of them all, a way of shutting down debate rather than engaging it on the merits. Besides being an arrow aimed at the wrong target. Stephen King got to nub of the matter in his National Book Awards speech when he singled out elitism as the enemy of popular art:
The opposite of passion is indifference. People who argue passionately about books are people who care about books. These are the kinds of arguments that engage authors and sell more books. As Jonathan said recently on the AML list, “Anything that gets people to talk and care about what’s in a book is superior to apathy.”
The old adage, “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all,” poisons the creative process. Besides, an even more interesting question than why a book or movie becomes a hit is why a book or movie I didn’t like becomes a hit. Because the answer to that question is a key to understanding myself.
doubleL said
I wonder what I missed NOT waiting for marriage. I fantasize about being a virgin and learning this stuff with my husband and not having any expectations going in. I feel that what I had experienced before has somewhat taken away from what connection my husband and I could’ve right off the bat.
Isn’t it human nature to wonder if we should’ve done it differently?
As for teaching our children, I will teach my kids that they should wait for marriage but I will not hide my condoms. They will know what I hope for them but I will also hope that my children can make those choices for themselves and decide what is right for them.
Tom Sawyer said
Good point, DoubleL. I’ve known others who feel the same as you.
We want to try to control all variables in life to result in maximum safety and happiness, but ultimately life will always be like stepping off a cliff into the void.
Truly Confused said
Try being a 33-year old virgin who has decided to leave the church! Now I totally regret “waiting” because it makes me rather awkward for where I am in my life.
MoJo said
Oh, TC…my heart breaks for you.
DoubleL, I believe you’re exactly correct. Thank you for putting it so well.
buffy said
“Truly confused” it’s not hopeless..
Left the fold at age 34 for doctrinal/cultural reasons with my virginity also intact. I do have some serious regrets at not exploring my sexuality with some great non-LDS men dated in the past, but after sulking about my losses for awhile decided to make my future sexuality not similarly regrettable.
I have found overcoming the vice-like grip of my former chastity views easier to overcome in a step-wise process. The first year I spent time educating myself about sexuality. Talked to sexually healthy friends, bought about 10 books academic and mainstream with explicit but tasteful pictures and instructions, watched 1 porn and 2 about porn documentaries and generally just got a look at the world around me (good and bad) that had been severly censored for so long.
The next year I spent becoming accepting and comfortable with my body which is a hard balance to figure out where you really fit between extreme modesty and uber-tramp, also becoming comfortable with masturbation and exploring toys and vibrators (which was the hardest after a very disfunctional and perverse experience with a former bishop) to really enjoy and have full control over my personal sexual response (want to really see something sadder than 34y.o virgin,try never masturbating or hitting the “big O” until age 27-now that pisses me off) But I’ve felt like I’ve taken another forward reaching and joyful step.
Next working towards the sex which is hardest but I hope I’m almost there. It is awkward to say to a guy at this age “uh, can you take it slow, I’m a virgin” that’s open for “wierdo” label or the fact that I’ve kept the netherlands so supremely clean I could land a scorching case of herpes by the wrong jerk. There is also the part of me that thinks I’m going to be too picky (when I really don’t want to be) about giving it up.
So I guess I’m saying don’t feel bad about 34, rent “40y.o virgin” pop some popcorn, and do what I do, reinvent your personal chastity mantra to fit who you really are inside. There is really alot of joy and discovery in this new phase of your life, like a new adventure to be had after an old well-meaning but useless chastity topographical map got you nowhere. Wish your fellow virgin luck on phase 3, I’m setting a goal to get laid by 2009. Pity the next guy I get in a somewhat enjoyable dating relationship with, the poor bastard won’t know what hit him.
Also, in the spirit of the wierd thread jack on books (and am in the Myers overrated camp) might I recommend “the guide to getting it on” and “the woman’s guide to becoming orgasmic” as books that help me rebuild my own chastity tool belt (and on a side note I used to give the latter title to the women in the ward getting married when I was thier relief society pres…)
ultimately, don’t look back…
Eugene said
My inner agent can’t help saying it, but what a great couple of novels this thread could generate. The book proposals practically write themselves.
Steve EM said
Wow, the thought of being with Buffy is quite arousing, and I’m happily married and too old for her.
Flygirl said
Buffy,
I am in a similar situation (30-year old virgin, no longer happy about it), and just wanted to say thanks for your comment. I really liked your idea of a step-by-step plan.
jessawhy said
SteveEM;
Ewww