Want to save your marriage? Try Adultery.
Posted by Tom Sawyer on June 18, 2008
Ever heard about the website The Ashley Madison Agency? As their website boasts, it is “The World’s Premier Discreet Dating Service, with over 2,140,000 likeminded members.”
“So what?” you say, “Internet dating is as old as the Internet, and it has even become socially acceptable.”
Ah, but this isn’t your ordinary dating agency, this is a dating service that specializes in married people looking for a little somethin’ somethin’ on the side. Their tagline, “Life is Short. Have an Affair,” even comes with a little “TM” to indicate that it has been trademarked. Wonderful.
I’ve been hearing Ashley-Madison commercials on the radio for the past few months. The Ashley-Madison phenomenon also pops up on TV now and then. The website boasts, “As Seen On: Larry King, FOXNews, 20/20, Ellen Degeneres, Dr. Phil.”
I’ll admit it, when I hear these radio commercials, my first thought is, “What the F%@&!?!? Who are these people?” followed by a stupor of thought.
My second thought is, “What the F%@%?!?! Who are these people?”
These people are out there. They walk among us. In fact, as of this writing, the Ashley-Madison website says that there are “32,504 local members online right now!”
“32,504 members?” No, more like 32,504 cheaters who are going straight to Hell, than you very much! J
But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe these 32,504 members are just trying to save their marriages. At least that is what Mira Kirshenbaum argues.
A new self-help book by Mira Kirshenbaum called “When Good People Have Affairs” argues that an affair can help save a struggling marriage, and that because society has so far failed to have a sympathetic discussion of infidelity, the positive sides of cheating have been ignored.
Hmmmmm…
If only this book had come out before Mother’s Day. Oh well, my wife’s birthday is coming up…
But seriously, I ask again, “What the F%@%?!?!”
Here’s what Kirshenbaum argues:
“Sometimes an affair can be the best way for the person who has been unfaithful to get the information and impetus to change.”
“I’m not encouraging affairs, but underlying the complicated mess is a kind of deep and delicate wisdom. It’s an insight that something isn’t working and needs to change.”
Most philanderers are good, kind people, she argues, who are seeking real happiness and love.
“These people are suffering terribly and need to be relieved of their sense of guilt and shame because those emotions are paralyzing.”
“If handled right, an affair can be therapeutic, give clarity and jolt people from their inertia.”
“You could think of it as a radical but necessary medical procedure. If your marriage is in cardiac arrest, an affair can be a defibrillator.”
But she is convinced that an adulterer must never confess, not even if their partner asks directly.
“This is the one area in which the truth usually creates far more damage in the long run,” she said.
“If you care that much about honesty, figure out who you want to be with, commit to that relationship and devote the rest of your life to making it the most honest relationship you can.”
Wow. If you are scoring at home, Kirshenbaum advocates both cheating AND dishonesty.
So what say you, Vistor’s-Center-ites? Are you thinking, “Woo Hoo! Where do I sign up?” Or are you like me and thinking, “What the F%@&?!?!”
Joe said
Stats shows that 35% of married men and 20-25% of married women cheat. This is just technology working to make systems (adultery, in this case) more efficient. I’ve stopped judging people. If you are missing something important in your marriage (companionship, sex, affection) and nothing has helped solve things you really only have three choices:
-stay and be miserable
-leave and split up your family
-stay and cheat to get what you’re missing
Obviously simplified, but isn’t this what it boils down to? As for “going to hell,” we’re all headed that direction anyway. Adulterers, Bishops, politicians. None of us can make it without the Atonement. None. I still have a great desire to live with moral integrity, so please don’t misunderstand me. Also, I don’t think an affair is therapeutic. I don’t think I could personally go through with it – the guilt would destroy me. Monogamy is a tough road, social and sexual. You’re effectively putting all your eggs in someone else’s basket.
Jonathan Blake said
I don’t know, even those in The Lifestyle advise you against extramarital hanky panky if your marriage is on the rocks:
If she’s not encouraging affairs, what is she doing?
Lily said
Tom:
On one level I absolutely agree with the quotes that you’ve offered about how adultery can, in some ways, strengthen an ailing marriage. But even if I agree with that, I wouldn’t advocate it–at least not as a secret liason.
I think marriage needs to be about honesty–even brutal honesty. If a spouse can discuss openly his/her desire for another person and the couple can work through that together, certainly the marriage could be strengthened in the process.
I’m also not a fan of dating agencies, even as a way of singles hooking up. Using online social networking, sure, but paying an agency for an intro? Creepy.
MoJo said
I wasn’t getting that there’s a simple desire to bring another person in the marriage (although I’m sure that no matter how well-thought-out and discussed that topic is, there’s going to be fallout). I was getting that these are people wanting to get from someone else what their partner isn’t giving them and they don’t want to deal with that head-on.
If they had the kind of relationship where they could request to bring another person, they should have the kind of relationship where they can talk about what ails them.
I just don’t see how an affair is anything but detrimental unless it’s a polyamorous situation and even then, things could get iffy. People’s emotions aren’t stable and they aren’t predictable; I wouldn’t trust that if my husband said, “Sure, honey!” that he actually MEANT it.
C. L. Hanson said
I agree that if you’re out to secretly cheat, then it probably means that your marriage is on the rocks and cheating will probably make it worse. Dan Savage’s perspective on it is kind of interesting, though:
I agree with him that, whenever there’s a sexual incompatibility problem, the common wisdom will tell you that the one who wants more sex is a selfish ass and the one who wants less is the tragically wronged angel. I don’t think it should be just assumed that the one who’s cheating necessarily is (or isn’t) the problem. A relationship is a complex thing, and a conflict may well have two sides.
We had some good discussion on this when I did a post about it here: Dan Savage and new sexual ethics…
MoJo said
I agree. I can’t find it right now, but one of our regulars (maybe Dissapointed) made the point that the person who wants less sex has the power position in the relationship. They can and sometimes do, to varying effects, wield that power however they want.
I completely agree with that.
Tom Sawyer said
My “going to hell” remark was a joke. I don’t believe in Hell, other than a metaphorical Hell, or “Hell” as a state of mind. I guess I feel the same about the Atonement. Real
I’m also don’t find Kirshenbaum’s advice as off-putting as I let on. While I would never recommend cheating as a means of saving a marriage, I do believe that it is possible for a marriage to become strengthened as the result of an affair. Really, the phenemonon is no different than a person surviving a near death experience and coming to value life more; or a person surviving a rape and using that experience to help other people; or a person surviving years of drug abuse and turning into a better person as a result of it.
It’s a variation on the theme — whatever doesn’t kill us makes us stronger. Except, when it kills us.
So yeah, there are obviously some rock-solid marriages out there that were born out of the ashes of cheating and betrayal… but what are the odds? Pretty low, I think.
One Track Mind said
Tom Sawyer,
To answer your first question, yes “Adultery” is certainly “anti-Mormon” and of course off limits.
Unlike you, my reaction is not “What the F%@%?!?!” but “Why the F%@%?!?!” I find myself struggling more with the why’s and why’s nots of sexuality more now than I ever did as a teenager. I always assumed as a teenager that once I was married that all of my sexual frustrations would somehow disappear. Hasn’t happened and indeed has only gotten worse to some extent. I have just as hard a time now as I ever did as a teenager controlling my thoughts. Wouldn’t the plan had worked out just as well had men and women been evenly matched in terms of libido?
xJane said
heh. Joe, can I add a 4th choice: “discuss what you’re missing with your partner & see if things can change”? I’m not anti adultery as an option, but it seems like communication may well solve some issues in a relationship.
‘Course then there’s swinging. Is that better or worse than adultery?
Joe said
I guess that’s what I was lumping in “if nothing else has helped solve things.” Definitely communicating is the first (and ongoing) approach. As for swinging…jealousy and sex do unexpected things to relationships. All depending on the personalities involved. Anyone watch Swingtown on CBS?
Anonymous said
Guys at my high school committed adultery all the time, it was no big deal.
Anonymous said
What if I would be totally ok with things if my wife cheated on me (it may even be a bit of a turn-on)? Does that make it OK if I cheat on her?
Jonathan Blake said
What if I would be totally ok with things if my wife cheated on me (it may even be a bit of a turn-on)? Does that make it OK if I cheat on her?
Um, no.
It depends on her feelings. Even if I let my wife cheat on me (I’m pretty sure I would take her back if I did) that doesn’t mean that she returns the favor. I’m pretty sure she doesn’t.
Joe Too said
To me, by definition cheating clearly means non-consent by the other party and that’s what matters with many things in a marriage, but especially sexual matters. To cheat is to violate that trust and relationship.
If consent is freely given and partners engage with sex with other people, it’s still adultery, just not cheating.
PlayitagainSamantha said
I found out about Ashley Madison after searching for Affair Tips in Google. I was going through a pretty tough patch in my marriage and wanted a break. I met a few men and after a couple of intimate enounters, my marriage( and ME) are back on track. I don’t feel nearly as low as I used to and the fact that my husband of six year treats the dog better, no longer affects me.
Why don’t I leave him? He’s a good dad and I don’t want to break up our family. Great dad but terrible husband!
Steve EM said
I take it the great dad but crappy husband is unknowingly raising another guy’s kids? This reminds me of finding out about my grown love child son a few years ago raised by some sap (now deceased, the stupid die young). Where do women find these “great dad” morons?
Jonathan Blake said
PlayitagainSamantha,
I don’t know your situation, but from what you describe, it doesn’t sound like your marriage is “back on track”.
Steve EM,
Am I detecting irony? I’d like to know before I judge you.
Joe said
I’m detecting a bit of spam. Judging from the marketed links, this woman (probably a guy) is an Ashley Madison affiliate.
Lily said
agreed.
Steve EM said
Jonathan,
The whole thing is too long for a comment and is off topic, but sufficient it to say I was abruptly dumped by a BYU gf who married very soon thereafter. Although heartbroken at the time, I had forgotten about her. Then a few years ago, after her husband passed, she tracked me down reveling by letter about our grown son, her desire that he learn the truth, meet me, etc. She didn’t view me as husband material back then, and deception was her fix to what should have been our problem (my interpretation of her explanation).
There is much irony beyond my falling off the LofC wagon big time post mission and having rancor towards her and stupid men conned into raising other mens’ kids. At the time, I thought it was a deep disagreement over handling a prophylactic malfunction incident that precipitated a rapid decline in the relationship. That turned out to be only partially correct at best.
Surprisingly, my wife encouraged me to meet up with the man and even w/ his mom when my initial reaction was that would probably risk harm and some things in life are best taken to the grave. In hindsight, my wife’s advice has been on-the-money for all of us.
Jonathan Blake said
I didn’t mean to pry. I just thought the contempt for men who raise other men’s children seemed odd. I’ve known men who knowingly raise children of their wife’s affairs. In any case, I thought pity or empathy would be a more typical response.
Steve EM said
Jonathan,
No problem. If I felt you were prying, I wouldn’t have volunteered anything. I posted a little about it on my blog a few years ago when things were more painful. Anyway, It’s not like I’m the only guy on the planet who learns of a love child after the kid has grown. As far as my contempt (a good word for how I feel, even now), I’m sure my past feelings of losing a lover to a short AH have much to do with it. That combined with the joy I’ve had raising five with my name and the resulting heightened sense of family, etc. However, it’s my understanding the short moron never caught on that “his” oldest was my kid. How in the world could he think a 9+ lb baby was a preemie? Moreover, my kid is tall and looks like me. His kids were born normal weight, are short and look like him. I could certainly have empathy for a less than whole man enjoying marriage and family while accepting his wife’s sexual and reproductive needs would be met by another man. Such a man would enjoy the blessing of nurturing the next generation and would be playing the hand he was dealt well. But a healthy male sap that gets duped into raising another man’s child as his own, yes, I have nothing but contempt for such an utter fool.
Joe Too said
Steve, I’m a little put off by your comment and attitude. First, it seems like your son was a horny child, not a love child. More importantly, how do you know the father didn’t know the child wasn’t his own but chose to keep quiet? And what is wrong with raising another man’s child as your own? My best friend growing up was adopted and my best friend now was raised by his natural mother and adopted father.
And even if the man may have suspected, but decided not to confirm his oldest wasn’t his own, if he raised the boy to be a fine man, why the contempt?
Steve EM said
Joe,
I’ve acknowledged I’m hardly objective about what happened, and certainly didn’t mean to offend you. I’m just saying how I feel, not that I’m right. In any event, in no way do I feel the same towards adoptive parents. And yes, you’re right; my contempt aside, her husband was my kid’s dad, and certainly a very good one. Hence my comment: “Were do women find these “great dad” morons?”
I’ll add that yes, I had some purely lustful fun and even some downright awful relationships after my post mission fall from grace before meeting my wife, but this relationship wasn’t one of them. So beyond the expression, my kid is definitely a love child. His mom says she never did love her husband the way she loved and enjoyed me, but there were other issues (such as my practically living off booze and speed at the time) that she just couldn’t deal with. Having gone through 5 births and as many miscarriages with my wife, I fully appreciate how difficult things are for many women early in a pregnancy, so I do empathize somewhat with her deception, without agreeing with it. Life is complicated.